Could Majin Buu Become Evil Again
Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?
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Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?
According to Akira Toriyama, Majin Buu is a concept of personified evil created past magic. He was created from all the evil spirits of humans and thus became an entity of the force itself right? We know how Evil buu came to exist in the evidence, he was released from Mr. Buu seeing humans exercise bad things which caused Evil within him to get stronger and thus release itself. Could that e'er happen over again say if some how Mr. Satan was destroyed in a cruel way, and was unable to be brought dorsum forth with the other Z fighters? Say if his beef with Beerus escalated? Or more than likely if he was exposed to long long periods of time of human cruelty without Mr. Satan's friendship, after that... could another Evil Buu/Super Buu/Kid Buu come back?
I know someone volition say that Bibidi creating Buu'south personification was specifically necessary for Buu to exist (I'd argue the same matter) only just going by Akira Toriyama saying that Bibidi only released him from hibernation; cipher more than.
I know the original was purified and turned into Uub but co-ordinate to the Check-In station, masses and masses of evil spit is beingness filtered out from the universe of expressionless villains. Evil ever exists thus Evil Buu would e'er potentially exist by the retcon's logic right?
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Just Buu is magic. By the "logic" of magic, there is no more than evil for Buu to expel.
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B wrote:But Buu is magic. By the "logic" of magic, in that location is no more than evil for Buu to expel.
I'm saying if information technology were to build upward once more. Not necessarily from him being evil but being subjected to it the way Piccolo was.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is too ridiculous to me. No, not anybody needs a fucking "polish" moment. If that's all yous want, then all y'all desire is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could accept a coherent story with "shine" moments! Only if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm actually not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, actually poorly reasoned, attempts to fence otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then yous're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when information technology'southward right in front of you.
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B wrote:Merely Buu is magic. By the "logic" of magic, there is no more than evil for Buu to miscarry.
But by the "logic" of Buu, I figure pretty much anything is fair game with the Majin. Though Buu building up more evil to expel by living among humans would be a better explanation by this point, if Toriyama or some other writer wants to, all it would take is a second shooting of Mr. Satan or Bee to stir up more feelings of extreme anger for some other evil version Buu to manifest. I wouldn't take trouble ownership it either, because "lol Buu and magic".
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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?
Would this non lead to an even weaker Mr. Boo and Pure Evil Boo then? Considering:
Forcefulness Checker wrote:Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P7.4
Context: as the 2 Boos fight
Narrator: "The original Majin Boo had no run a risk of winning...This was because during the split, the majority of the power went to the evil one…"
This makes it sounds equally if the strength of Pure Evil Boo had been taken straight from Adept Boo?
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Re: Is Information technology Possible For Evil Buu To Return?
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B wrote:But Buu is magic. Past the "logic" of magic, in that location is no more evil for Buu to expel.
But by the "logic" of Buu, I figure pretty much anything is off-white game with the Majin. Though Buu building up more than evil to expel by living among humans would be a meliorate explanation past this betoken, if Toriyama or another writer wants to, all information technology would have is a second shooting of Mr. Satan or Bee to stir up more feelings of extreme anger for another evil version Buu to manifest. I wouldn't have trouble buying it either, because "lol Buu and magic".
If all Bibidi did was revive him from wherever he existed than at that place isn't any reason for information technology not to reoccur by other means. Buu is a concept of abstract existance so Evil Buu can be anything its given course to I think. The Majin attribute of him is just what Bibidi used to control him.
Evil Buu could probably return the same way Gohan's "hidden ability" is randomly released. Something has to go Mr. Buu angry plenty with some sort of heartbreaking trauma.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's commonage fetishizing of "moments" is too ridiculous to me. No, non everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you lot want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of class those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'g really non seeing any compelling arguments that this ane is annihilation but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and y'all're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments every bit a reason for the story's poor quality, and so you're letting your thirst for "smooth" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.
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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Render?
Wasn't Vegeta agape of that happening? That's why he didn't want to spare Mr. Buu when they crush Kid Buu.
Mr. Buu is innocent and good now, but there's no reason people can't change. If he was to exist exposed to the evil of humans over time, just similar Kami, he could end up having evil in his centre again. So he would just need something to force it out just like final time.
Also I wonder if this means that later on Uub and Mr. Buu dice of erstwhile age or whatever, that Child Buu can reappear in his original course once again some time millions of years in the future. When you look at information technology that way the universe seems doomed no matter what.
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Then I guess the question is which is the bigger assumption: Buu can't regain more evil tendencies, or he can? I mean, the unabridged concept of "evil" existence a thing y'all can just sweat out of your body if you felt inclined to is already ridiculous...
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B wrote:So I guess the question is which is the bigger supposition: Buu tin can't regain more evil tendencies, or he can? I mean, the entire concept of "evil" being a thing you tin merely sweat out of your body if y'all felt inclined to is already ridiculous...
Evil in Dragonball is negative ki, ki is just spirit energy. Evil isnt something you sweat out, its autonomously of your "heart" wether it be pure or corrupt hence Babidi's evil possession magic. Its not an supposition, its a speculation on the conditions existence possible or not. Based on what Akira Toriyama confirmed, it suggests that information technology is entirely possible - and never before implied not to be. Mr. Satan was the only reason it wasnt very probable.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom'southward collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, non everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all y'all want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually sectional; you could take a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really non seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, actually poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and y'all're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story'southward poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when information technology'due south right in front of you.
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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Render?
Well for starters, zip yous said in the OP is really truthful. Buu isn't a personified evil spirit or anything complicated like that, he'south simply a freak lab experiment created by a powerful wizard.
But even going past Toriyama'southward ass-pull explanation rather than the bodily manga written xx years earlier, I don't call back what you're saying is whatcha meant. He was trying to say Buu had no existent origin, or at least not one that's known. The whole thing about absorbing the evils of mankind is extremely disruptive, but given what he says near Buu in the same question (that he's existed since time immemorial and goes on planet destroying rampages and long hibernations), information technology'south highly unlikely that's what he meant.
Anyhow, I call back Evil Buu is only a manifestation of Pure Buu's essence within Fat Buu, which is basically Pure Buu polluted by a piece of Kaioshin influence. While it may be possible for Mr. Buu to create some other Buu of pure evil past taking in humanity's evil and then expelling information technology, I retrieve it'd follow a whole dissimilar ready of rules compared to the Evil Buu we know, and might not fifty-fifty look like him (Evil Buu).
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B wrote:So I estimate the question is which is the bigger assumption: Buu tin't regain more evil tendencies, or he can? I mean, the entire concept of "evil" being a thing you tin can merely sweat out of your torso if you felt inclined to is already ridiculous...
Evil in Dragonball is negative ki, ki is just spirit energy. Evil isnt something you sweat out, its apart of your "center" wether information technology be pure or corrupt hence Babidi's evil possession magic. Its not an supposition, its a speculation on the conditions being possible or not. Based on what Akira Toriyama confirmed, it suggests that information technology is entirely possible - and never before unsaid not to exist. Mr. Satan was the just reason it wasnt very likely.
Alright, re-reading the translation at Kanzenshuu, that is what it says. The evil influence of human caused Buu to become more than and more violent. I suppose it'due south possible for it to happen, simply I'd say the big departure is originally, this happened to the original, tiny Buu, completely untouched by Bibidi or anyone. The current Buu has, A) expelled all of his evil, and B) is predominantly influenced past the Dai Kaioshin. If annihilation, it's non as simple as "Buu gets actually angry once more."
I'm immediately reminded of the filler episode where Buu goes almost town and remembers Satan'southward warnings nearly getting angry. I estimate to Toei twenty years ago, they believed it was still a problem.
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Possibly it'south like Warhammer 40k with the Warp and people'due south emotions and thoughts influencing information technology.
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After rewatching the last scrap of the Buu saga, I find it is actually possible Evil Buu could come back. Vegeta even asks the aforementioned question. All information technology takes is if Mr. Buu to get actually angry, plenty to want to impale someone and and then if he were mad plenty to blow smoke. It could happen, there was that scene in the water ice-foam store with Buu in the metropolis that suggested this. Not to mention if Majin Buu is the personification of evil energy, he'd always be every bit a figment of the universe.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is besides ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, and so all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could accept a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really non seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything only, despite constantly recurring, actually poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story'southward poor quality, then you lot're letting your thirst for "smooth" moments obfuscate your ability to detect bones storytelling when it'southward right in forepart of you.
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Maybe Buu only becomes evil if he physically absorbs something and assumes its evil characteristics. Now that Buu has completely pure motives, it'southward likely that he won't turn people into candy and blot them anymore. In fact,
He probably helps the planet by turning trash and litter into processed and devouring it, therefore making things cleaner lol...
However, it's obvious that Buu's gullible tendencies to listen to anyone (he followed babidi'due south orders until one dude said it'due south incorrect, and mr. FREAKING satan got him to stop killing all together), he might turn evil again from hanging out with the wrong people.
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If Good Buu was some how able to consume Kid Buu would he turn dorsum into Super Buu or some kind of make new Skillful Super Buu?
Zephyr wrote:The fandom'south collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "smoothen" moment. If that's all you desire, so all you desire is fanservice, rather than an bodily coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could accept a coherent story with "shine" moments! Simply if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'1000 really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to fence otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "polish" moments as a reason for the story'southward poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "smoothen" moments obfuscate your ability to observe basic storytelling when it's correct in front of y'all.
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I suppose information technology's possible, but it's not like it would do annihilation significant since the characters are much more than powerful than he is. It'd be like Freeza or Cell coming back basically, lol.
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If yous view the current incarnation of Boo as existence a descendant of that original Boo, and that a large portion of Boo'southward power was destroyed and reincarnated as Oob, then even if Mr. Boo was somehow able to return to that original state he would non be as powerful, unless he trained for a long time... But I can't meet him doing that.
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